[J3] Concluding J3 meeting 223

[Milan Curcic]

Hi Brian & J3,

Thank you and everybody else for an insightful meeting. I learned a lot.

As a new member, I'll share a few observations from the meeting. What stood
out to me was:

1. How very last-minute most of the papers were submitted;
2. How fast things were moving during the meeting (e.g. defining straw vote
options).

For many small and simple papers, it works well. But for larger ones like
the enumeration papers, it was too much for me to take in and think about
in depth. When it came to a straw vote, it was difficult to consider all
options and their implications. Several other members expressed the same
concern.

Ample lead time for initial (pre-meeting) paper uploads would help members
1) read papers; 2) understand them; 3) discuss them with their Org; and 4)
develop an informed and independent opinion. It would also help the author
of the paper--of course you'd want members to have enough time to
appreciate and support your paper.

INCITS lists two weeks as the cut-off time. That may be overkill for small
papers, and not long enough for large feature papers. Let's discuss what
would be an appropriate cut-off time, and if different papers deserve
different treatment.

Last, I felt uncomfortable for a few moments during the meeting when the
discussion got a bit heated. Please stay patient with and respectful to
others, ultimately we all want the same thing, a better Fortran.

Cheers,
Milan

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 11:02 PM Brian Friesen via J3 <
j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> J3 meeting 223 concluded today. Thank you all for your participation.
> Thanks especially to those in the UK (Nathan, John, Anton, any
> others?) and in Japan (Malcolm) for being awake at such an uncommon
> hour. Thanks also to Lorri for leading J3 into the virtual meeting
> world as acting Chair at meeting 222, which was J3's first all-virtual
> meeting back in October 2020.
>
> The main action item following meeting 223 is for the Project Editor
> (Malcolm) to produce a new draft of the `007` document for meeting
> 224, to be held jointly with WG5 in June 2021, which will also be a
> virtual meeting. J3 members with opinions regarding the "split week"
> format of meeting 223 are encouraged to share their thoughts on the
> WG5 mailing list.
>
> Finally, it is incumbent upon each of us to be respectful of other
> points of view when discussing features and papers. Some topics can be
> polarizing. Nobody is expected to agree with anybody else on anything.
> But everybody is expected to give the same consideration to everyone
> else's opinions and points of view.
>
> Thanks again.
>
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