[J3] (SC22WG5.6253) 2022 WG5 meeting

[Damian Rouson]

I also think that if we are really interested in fostering inclusive
dialogue, it’s going to take effort and is certainly going to take change.
I don’t think labeling opposing viewpoints as “obsessive hatred”  is in any
way helpful to promoting discussion.  I realize such expressions have long
been the norm on this mailing list.  I guarantee you that the tenor of
discussions here does and has turned people away.  It has often come close
to driving me away for one and I don’t just mean recently.

We can do better.  If we want the committee to grow and if we care at all
about inclusivity, we have to do better.

Damian

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 17:46 Damian Rouson via J3 <
j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:

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> On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:34 PM Bill Long via J3 <
> j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:
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>> The seemingly obsessive hatred of Las Vegas is very hard to understand
>> for those of us who have been there.   Are you concerned that potential
>> attendees with mental health issues related to gambling addiction might be
>> discouraged?  Note that the current meeting hotel is NOT on the strip and
>> is a Marriott, and hence has no casino and is not connected to a casino.
>> I’ve never known J3 or PL22.3 to sponsor a “casino night” or any activity
>> involving gambling.  We’re way too busy during the week to have time for
>> something like that.
>>
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> I wonder if a Zoom call would be a better forum for some of the
> discussions about which opinions differ considerably.  I was never a fan of
> Las Vegas as a meeting destination and asked very early in my attendance
> (probably at my first meeting around 2013) about how long I should attend
> before proposing a venue change.  Your response: "about 20 years."  I'm
> sure that was a joke and I interpreted it as funny.  Nonetheless, I took to
> heart that it was a clear statement that the majority of people would
> oppose any change for the foreseeable future and I therefore gave up on the
> idea despite never being comfortable with the destination.
>
> I thought Brad Richardson's recent email was very helpful in capturing the
> feelings of a new attendee and the impact that more established members
> have on whether newcomers feel welcomed.  Were we to have an interactive
> discussion via videoconference or teleconference, I would be glad to
> explain several reasons why I find Las Vegas to be a problematic venue and
> I suspect others would have additional reasons.  I fear that email is not a
> great medium for such discussions for lots of reasons.
>
> Damian
>
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