[J3] (SC22WG5.6231) Fwd: [SC22] ISO Gender Action Plan Survey

[Bryce Adelstein Lelbach aka wash]

Van,

As I've mentioned to you in private emails, (0) the SC22 steering committee
and INCITS admins are already aware of this incident and (1) you are happy
to file a complaint through those channels if you wish to do so.

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Bryce Adelstein Lelbach aka wash
US Programming Language Standards (PL22) Chair
ISO C++ Library Evolution Chair
CppCon and C++Now Program Chair
CUDA Core C++ Libraries (Thrust, CUB, libcu++) Lead @ NVIDIA
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 21:29 Van Snyder via J3 <j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org>
wrote:

> Bryce is discussing political issues on the WG5 mailing list. That's a
> violation of the ISO Code of Conduct.
>
> On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 18:19 -0700, Bryce Adelstein Lelbach aka wash via J3
> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Attempting to guess people's gender based on name is not an accurate way
> to get data. If you want to know someone's gender you need to ask.
>
> Yes, ISO has a registry, but not everyone who participates in working
> groups is registered as a technical expert. Not all national bodies have or
> collect this data, either. Even those who do might not be able to share it
> because of privacy laws.
>
> I agree the survey isn't perfect. But this isn't the right forum to
> provide feedback on the survey. You can email gender at iso.org to provide
> any feedback or suggestions.
>
>
> --
> Bryce Adelstein Lelbach aka wash
> US Programming Language Standards (PL22) Chair
> ISO C++ Library Evolution Chair
> CppCon and C++Now Program Chair
> CUDA Core C++ Libraries (Thrust, CUB, libcu++) Lead @ NVIDIA
> --
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 12:38 Bill Long via J3 <j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org>
> wrote:
>
> And, if they were only interested in gender data, they could probably
> guess pretty accurately from just looking though the list.  I suspect they
> were really after the age and years-of-service information.
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Muxworthy via J3 <
> j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:
> >
> > No-one has commented on the fact that self-selecting surveys in any
> > case are of dubious value.  ISO has a complete register of the experts
> > who can take part in ISO committees, all nominated by their national
> > bodies.  All they have to do to get an accurate picture is to ask each
> > national body for the gender statistics for their nominees.
> >
> > It is almost unbelievably amateurish to write "I thank you in advance
> > for sharing this survey with the experts of your TC, SC, PC and/or WG"
> > if the results are to have any validity.
> >
> > David Muxworthy
> >
>
> Bill Long
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