[J3] (SC22WG5.6231) Fwd: [SC22] ISO Gender Action Plan Survey

[Van Snyder]

Bryce is discussing political issues on the WG5 mailing list. That's a
violation of the ISO Code of Conduct.
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 18:19 -0700, Bryce Adelstein Lelbach aka wash via
J3 wrote:
> Bill,
> Attempting to guess people's gender based on name is not an accurate
> way to get data. If you want to know someone's gender you need to
> ask.
> 
> Yes, ISO has a registry, but not everyone who participates in working
> groups is registered as a technical expert. Not all national bodies
> have or collect this data, either. Even those who do might not be
> able to share it because of privacy laws.
> 
> I agree the survey isn't perfect. But this isn't the right forum to
> provide feedback on the survey. You can email gender at iso.org to
> provide any feedback or suggestions.
> 
> 
> --
> Bryce Adelstein Lelbach aka wash
> US Programming Language Standards (PL22) Chair
> ISO C++ Library Evolution Chair
> CppCon and C++Now Program Chair
> CUDA Core C++ Libraries (Thrust, CUB, libcu++) Lead @ NVIDIA
> --
> 
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 12:38 Bill Long via J3 <
> j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:
> > And, if they were only interested in gender data, they could
> > probably guess pretty accurately from just looking though the
> > list.  I suspect they were really after the age and years-of-
> > service information.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 4, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Muxworthy via J3 <
> > j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > No-one has commented on the fact that self-selecting surveys in
> > any
> > 
> > > case are of dubious value.  ISO has a complete register of the
> > experts
> > 
> > > who can take part in ISO committees, all nominated by their
> > national
> > 
> > > bodies.  All they have to do to get an accurate picture is to ask
> > each
> > 
> > > national body for the gender statistics for their nominees.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > It is almost unbelievably amateurish to write "I thank you in
> > advance
> > 
> > > for sharing this survey with the experts of your TC, SC, PC
> > and/or WG"
> > 
> > > if the results are to have any validity.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > David Muxworthy
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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