[J3] [EXTERNAL] (SC22WG5.6222) Fwd: [SC22] ISO Gender Action Plan Survey

[Nathan Sircombe]

I didn’t see anything absurd or irrelevant in the original request.

Damian, well said, throughout.

Cheers,
Nathan.




From: J3 <j3-bounces at mailman.j3-fortran.org> on behalf of Damian Rouson via J3 <j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org>
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Date: Tuesday, 2 June 2020 at 22:24
To: Keith Bierman <khbkhb at gmail.com>
Cc: Damian Rouson <damian at sourceryinstitute.org>, General J3 interest list <j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org>
Subject: Re: [J3] [EXTERNAL] (SC22WG5.6222) Fwd: [SC22] ISO Gender Action Plan Survey

As Exhibit A in the argument that discrimination doesn’t have to be direct, explicit, or even intentional to nonetheless have disturbing effects, let’s note that it creates a hostile environment for anyone interested in addressing such imbalances when someone who is in the demographic group that occupies the overwhelming proportion of the group’s membership publicly labels even the smallest of efforts to address the issue “absurdly irrelevant.”

Damian

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 14:11 Keith Bierman <khbkhb at gmail.com<mailto:khbkhb at gmail.com>> wrote:
I did not mean to imply it was sufficient. However, "back in the day" there was more gender diversity on the committee ... with a single exception (which I am loathe to discuss online) I don't know of any adverse pressure applied to those members and the outreach for new members was largely driven by Leadership (Chair and IR were female when I started). That the number of women on the committee has fallen is an observable fact. I have no information as to what factors have driven it.
Keith Bierman
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:03 PM Damian Rouson <damian at sourceryinstitute.org<mailto:damian at sourceryinstitute.org>> wrote:
“Not turning away” is not sufficient.  If it were, then any number of deeply troubling imbalances that exist today would have been resolved by now.  They haven’t been and any attempt to even get the smallest amount of data relevant to the problem gets publicly ridiculed as “absurdly irrelevant.”  Again... stunning.

Damian

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 13:53 Keith Bierman via J3 <j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org<mailto:j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org>> wrote:
FWIW, the committee used to have several women, including the leadership (J. Adams, J. Martin) and various vendor reps (IBM and Cray come to mind with just a few seconds of walking down memory lane).  While 4 may not seem like a lot, we were often only a dozen or members so it wasn't trivial (although not parity). As far as I know, no member candidate was ever turned away on the basis of gender (or any other category other than running afoul of the company limits).
Keith Bierman
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303 997 2749
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