[J3] (SC22WG5.6186) RE: [ukfortran] October meeting visa invitation letter

[Milan Curcic]

Malcolm,

> Well, **a** community is on GitHub. A substantial one even.



> > I'm afraid I don't think this sweeping generalisation is productive, or
fair.



> Neither is being told we’re not part of The community.

You're right. Being a native Slavic speaker, I misuse my articles often,
sometimes to disastrous effects. I apologize for minimizing other
communities. I didn't mean to do that.

GitHub is not a panacea and is not meant to replace live meetings, calls,
or even chat. I see it as "better email for developing software and
documents". It doesn't even mean to replace all email, but only some. So I
don't think doing everything on GitHub is the solution. However for what I
think is a significant fraction of committee work in the time between the
meetings, GitHub can provide powerful productivity tools.

Cheers,
Milan


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 4:37 AM Malcolm Cohen via J3 <
j3 at mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:

> > The community is on GitHub.
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> Well, **a** community is on GitHub. A substantial one even.
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> > I'm afraid I don't think this sweeping generalisation is productive, or
> fair.
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> Neither is being told we’re not part of The community.
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> Now, I don’t think this was the intended meaning of the first poster, but
> it was a natural and obvious interpretation, so I understand Anton’s poor
> reaction. Of course the committee has already started to take this “GitHub
> community” seriously, and welcomed its input. That welcome is absolutely *
> *not** being withdrawn.
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> However, at this point I am not convinced that GitHub should become the
> central way that committee work should be done, and I agree with Bill that
> switching over to it right away seems more like a revolution than evolution.
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> > works just fine with teams spread over many timezones
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> Well, no. it does not work “just fine” for in-depth discussions the way we
> have traditionally done with subgroups. GitHub and all other technological
> solutions do not in fact solve the basic timezone issues that Bill pointed
> out. Such technologies can certainly help, but they cannot do everything,
> and furthermore are not “neutral” in their effect – not everyone is
> comfortable **or effective** with them.
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> Maybe in the end we will end up doing everything on GitHub, and maybe not.
> But for now, I would prefer that we “hasten slowly”.
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> Cheers,
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> ..............Malcolm Cohen, NAG Oxford/Tokyo.
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