(j3.2006) [Fwd: RE: Notification of 2018 INCITS Membership Fees and Invoicing Schedule]

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2017-10-06 at 16:49 -0500, Bill Long wrote:
> Hi Van,
> 
> Interestingly, I got a personal email from Lynn saying that I needed
> to get the agreement signed as well.  A bit surprising since our
> lawyers signed it in the summer of 2015 shortly after it came out.  I
> replied asking if we need to continually resend copies of this thing.
> 
> In looking back at my files to get proof we already signed, I noticed
> the bills for membership in past years.  Wow, the price has really
> gone up - way way more than inflation.  Maybe they spent the money on
> an expensive database system that looses documents.

Lynn is still trying to negotiate an acceptable membership agreement
with the Caltech/JPL lawyers.  My immediate management objected to the
third paragraph, which says ITI is an advocacy and policy organization.
My boss said JPL wouldn't pay for membership in IEEE or AGU, so why pay
for ITI (INCITS) membership?

If ITI wants Caltech/JPL to sign a membership agreement, it can't say
that ITI is an advocacy organization.

> Cheers,
> Bill
> 
> 
> > On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Van Snyder <van.snyder at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > 
> > Lynn:
> > 
> > When I asked who at JPL should sign the INCITS membership agreement, one
> > of my line managers responded:
> > 
> >> I quickly read this and seriously doubt ANYONE at jpl will sign it.
> >> INCITS says it is an ADVOCACY organization on behalf of its members.
> >> AGU is also an adovcacy org and does not ask that we AGU members sign
> >> ON BEHALF of JPL. Ditto for IEEEE. So what do they advocate? All the
> >> lawyers for Caltech and JPL would have to agree to this, and I
> >> seriously doubt they will. 
> > 
> > If you change the membership agreement so that it states that for
> > purposes of this membership, INCITS is an ANSI contractor responsible
> > for programming language standards, there is some chance that somebody
> > will sign it.
> > 
> > There is some question whether it is legal for any US Government agency
> > or contractor to pay for a membership in an advocacy organization.
> > 
> > Otherwise, I shall be required to relinquish my membership as a
> > representative of Caltech Jet Propulsion Laboratory.  At your current
> > price, I shall not join PL22.3 as a private member.
> > 
> > Van
> > 
> > 
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> Bill Long
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