(j3.2006) Ada committee doesn't do business with INCITS (or IEEE)

[Bill Long]

Would leaving INCITS result in J3/PL22.3 having no input into how ANSI votes on ISO ballots? 

What would be the functional US standards body?  PL22.3 (which I assume would continue to exist) or this RG? Who decides?  Would WG5 have to be reorganized to exclude PL22.3 participation?  

Do we want to be in the class of currently active and relevant languages with ?real? standards participation (along with C, C++)?   Without bringing C and C++ along the same path, I don?t see how we avoid the image of having become just as dead and irrelevant as Ada.  

I think that if INCITS does something bad enough that Fortran, C, and C++ ALL decide to leave, then it is reasonable to consider our options.  So far, they have not crossed that line. 

Cheers,
Bill



> On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Van Snyder <Van.Snyder at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> 
> The Ada standard is entirely done by WG9.  They have subgroups, one called the "Ada Rapporteur Group," which has pretty much the same responsibilities as J3:
> 
> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg9/organize.htm#argcharter
> 
> Charter of the Ada Rapporteur Group (ARG)
> Approved by WG9, 1 December 2017
> 
> The Ada Rapporteur Group (ARG) is a subgroup of ISO/IEC JTC1/SC 22/WG 9, the JTC 1 Working Group for Ada. The ARG has the following duties:
> 
> 	? Provide support for ISO/IEC 8652 and ISO/IEC 18009, and other Standards as assigned by WG 9, by:
> 		? Serving as an advisory group for the project editors of these standards;
> 		? Supporting the SC 22 defect and interpretation process by drafting publicly available responses to Defect Reports on these standards;
> 		? Drafting text for proposed clarifications, corrections and changes to these standards.
> 	? Recommend strategies for extensions of the Ada language and libraries, and prescription of conformity and optionality via the use of corrigenda, revisions, amendments, secondary standards, technical reports, technical specifications, and informative materials.
> 	? Coordinate with other organizations to promote uniform implementation of the Ada standard and appropriate usage of Ada in other standards. Language proposals originating in other Rapporteur Groups of WG 9 will be referred to the ARG for disposition in the same manner as suggestions originating outside of WG 9.
> 
> Is it really necessary for J3 to do business with INCITS?  Could it be reorganized as a WG5 "Rapporteur Group?"
> 
> They also have an "Annex H Rapporteur Group," whose responsibilities include
> 
> Charter of the Annex H Rapporteur Group (HRG)
> Approved by WG9, 28 April 1995
> 
> The HRG will synthesize the essential requirements of typical sector-specific standards for high integrity applications which have a bearing on Ada and its supporting tools. Guidance, including interpretation and amplification of Annex H will be developed for users, implementers, evaluators and certifiers. The guidance produced will be in a form suitable for reference in procurement....
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