(j3.2006) Fwd: [fortran] Groups - Ballot opened: "PL22.3 votes to Approve with Comments for SC22 N5191 - ISO/IEC CD 1539-1"

Van Snyder Van.Snyder
Mon Apr 17 15:10:51 EDT 2017

On Mon, 2017-04-17 at 14:54 +0000, Bill Long wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2017, at 11:17 PM, Van Snyder <van.snyder at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > 
> > Bill wants a pointless special-purpose widget for which more general
> > mechanisms already exists.  I haven't seen a technical reason for this
> > pointlessly redundant feature that only burdens developers.
> Absolutely false, Van, and you know it.  The developers WANT this
> feature because the current situation is too hard to deal with.   And
> it was not my feature.  I was not the original proposer, and it was
> approved by /Data subgroup, J3, and WG5 as a whole. 

What's false?  That Bill wants it?  That more general mechanisms already
exist?  That I've seen a technical reason for it?  The only reason I've
seen is for optimization, and that problem can be solved by existing
mechanisms, as I demonstrated in 15-131r1.

> In my original reply I gave you completely reasonable reasons for the
> feature.  Your response was an unacceptable tirade.  It is now clear
> to me why people do not reply to you. 

Reasonable?  I don't understand how we can simultaneously conclude that
we must have a milquetoast development agenda because developers are
overburdened with what we've already put into the standard, and we need
to add a facility that duplicates existing functionality, as an
irregular special-purpose widget that preserves Fortran's frequently
maligned "tacked on look."

Why can't Bill explain why we need this duplication in a civilized and
rational way, instead of insulting me for pointing it out?

> Cheers,
> Bill
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