(j3.2006) Fwd: Fwd: Call for Comments - On Draft Proposed INCITS Membership Agreement - Comments Due by Friday, September 6, 2013

[Van Snyder]

As far as I can tell, there are no changes from the previous version.

There is a good chance that members' organizations will say "Hell No!"
if the "We can change the agreement without your consent or knowledge"
clause remains.

As Bill has remarked, the copyright clauses might also be non-starters
for many members' organizations.

At one meeting in 2004, I submitted fifty papers.  Up to that time, I
had had to submit my papers to an internal document review organization
so they could verify I wasn't violating any patent or copyright
policies, or any ITAR laws.  Those fifty papers (along with the draft of
the standard they were amending) were the straw that broke the camel's
back; they said "Don't send this stuff to us again."  The new copyright
policies might convince them they need to see stuff again.  It generally
takes a week or so to get clearance.  It would be impossible to get
clearance between, say, Monday night and Tuesday morning during a J3
meeting.  If I have to get clearance on J3 papers, I don't know whether
I can then legally write or amend a paper at a J3 meeting.  If I can't
actually participate in meetings, my management might say "Just mail it
in."

Has INCITS carefully crafted this policy so as to wipe out their
committees?  Maybe, like other language standards committees, the INCITS
committee will disband (or move to IEEE or ECMA or ...), leaving only
the JTC1 committee.

Be careful what you wish for!  You might get Sarbanes-Oxley or
Dodd-Frank or Obamacare.

On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 19:11 -0700, Dan Nagle wrote:
> Hi, 
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> Now INCITS wants views expressed by August 23.
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> I'll collect comments until the 21st (or so) and then
> summarize and forward to INCITS.
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> While I take the committee's views to be generally in the negative,
> a collective statement, with as many specifics as can be,
> may have some effect.
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> If you would particularly like to have your name, or your firm's name,
> withheld, just so indicate.
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> > From: Dan Nagle <dannagle at verizon.net>
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> > Subject: (j3.2006) Fwd: Call for Comments - On Draft Proposed INCITS
> > Membership Agreement - Comments Due by Friday, September 6, 2013
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> > Date: August 8, 2013 05:28:24 MDT
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> > To: Archive <ncits at j3-fortran.org>, J3 List <j3 at j3-fortran.org>
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> > Reply-To: fortran standards email list for J3
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> > > From: "Barra, Lynn" <lbarra at itic.org>
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> > > Subject: Call for Comments - On Draft Proposed INCITS Membership
> > > Agreement - Comments Due by Friday, September 6, 2013
> > > 
> > > Date: August 7, 2013 21:08:13 MDT
> > > 
> > > To: "Barra, Lynn" <lbarra at itic.org>
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> > > Cc: "Barra, Lynn" <lbarra at itic.org>, "Garner, Jennifer"
> > > <jgarner at itic.org>, "mbraner at apple.com" <mbraner at apple.com>
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> > > To INCITS Community ?
> > >  
> > > The INCITS Executive Board (EB) is proposing a Membership
> > > Agreement which member organizations will be required to sign in
> > > 2014. The purposes of the Agreement are to: (1) document and
> > > formalize rules that INCITS has been following operationally for
> > > many years; (2) clarify and update other rules; and (3) confirm
> > > that Members are legally bound to these rules in order to bring
> > > more consistency, transparency, and efficiency to the INCITS
> > > standards development process and thereby provide more protection
> > > and certainty to the INCITS stakeholders. To support this action,
> > > at their April 2013 meeting, the INCITS Executive Board (EB)
> > > established an Ad Hoc to facilitate the development of a
> > > membership agreement.
> > >  
> > > At their July 2013 meeting, the EB discussed the proposed
> > > Membership Agreement and agreed that all member organizations
> > > should be given an opportunity to review and comment on the
> > > proposed Membership Agreement prior to an approval ballot being
> > > issued.
> > >  
> > > At this time, a call for comments is being issued on the proposed
> > > Membership Agreement, copy attached.
> > >  
> > > Please note that this email is being sent to you because you have
> > > been identified as a primary contact for your organization to
> > > INCITS. We request that you forward this information to an
> > > authorized individual or legal counsel within your organization
> > > for review.
> > >  
> > > Members are requested to forward any comments on the proposed
> > > Membership Agreement to the Secretariat at lbarra at itic.org not
> > > later than Friday, September 6, 2013.  All comments received will
> > > be addressed by the Ad Hoc on Membership.
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> > >  
> > > Regards-
> > > Lynn
> > >  
> > > Lynn Barra
> > > Director, INCITS Standards Operations
> > > INCITS/Information Technology Industry Council
> > > 1101 K Street NW, Suite 610, Washington DC 20005
> > > T: 202-626-5739 | Email: lbarra at itic.org | Web: www.INCITS.org
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> > -- 
> > Cheers!
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> > Dan Nagle
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> Cheers!
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> Dan Nagle
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