(j3.2006) Defined operation questions

Bill Long longb
Wed May 9 08:23:12 EDT 2012

On 5/8/12 4:03 PM, Van Snyder wrote:
> Does anybody remember why "nonoptional" is required for dummy arguments
> of functions that define operations (
> I tried to write an .ANDTHEN. operator with an optional second argument,
> so that I could do something like "if ( present(A) .ANDTHEN. A )...", in

Can't you just write

   if (present(A)) then; if (A) then

   end if; end if

It works now, is clear,  and would be faster than invoking a procedure 

> which the function that defines .ANDTHEN. returns false without
> referencing the second argument if the first argument is false. I can't
> do this because the function that defines .ANDTHEN. can't have an
> optional second argument, and therefore can't be invoked if A is not
> present.
> I can understand requiring the second actual argument to /appear/ in a
> reference (as already required by the syntax rules in Clause 7), but why
> must it be /present/?
> In light of the first distinguishing characteristic in, is
> there still a reason for "data object" in (

The criterion for a few feature should not be "I can't think of a reason 
why not".   We often overlook, or don't realize at the time, the 
implementation costs of such whims and (at least vendors) regret it later.


> I can't offhand think of an application for a defined operation in which
> one operand is a procedure, but there appears not to be a problem with
> generic resolution.
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